Meditation for miscarriage, pregnancy after loss and new moms

I remember trying to meditate for the first time. I made every excuse in the book to avoid it. I convinced myself that I did not have time, convinced myself that it wasn’t a good use of my time, that I wasn’t doing it right so what was the point. It took YEARS until I developed a regular practice and it is still a work in progress.

Meditation has so many unbelievable benefits. According to Positive Psychology.com , meditation can reduce physical, mental and emotional disturbances. This can include anxiety, depression, pain, blood pressure, stress, migraines, IBS, ect. Meditation can be so effective.

So if it is so great, why isn’t everyone doing it? What I hear often is that it is hard, you may think you are doing it wrong and if you are doing it wrong what is the point? Other reasons can include you may feel uncomfortable, overwhelmed or don’t want to feel anything.

All of the reasons are valid. I like to invite my clients to start small. Try to take one minute everyday where you just try to tune into your body and breath and go from there. Many of you may find it is easier to do when you have someone guiding you. I certainly do! There are meditations everywhere it seems but finding one that resonates with you is important.

Recently I have created some meditations with you in mind. My library is building slowly but I currently have meditations for miscarriage, pregnancy after loss and motherhood. I will be adding more soon. If you are looking for a specific meditation that is a fit for you please- DM me, reply to this newsletter and let me know what you are looking for and I will do my best to make that available to you.

Interested in learning more about the meditations from a therapist Madison? Click here.

Happy Meditating!

Postpartum PT Care, Interview with a therapist in Madison

I had the honor of interviewing a therapist in Madison, Jessica Dufault from Mindful Motion Physical Therapy to learn more about how she helps postpartum care in Madison. She specializes in pelvic floor and women’s wellness. She is an excellent resource for women in the pre/postnatal stage and also works with women that have experienced a pregnancy loss.

Julie: Hello Jessica,

Thank you so much for agreeing to speak with me. Would you start by introducing yourself?

Jessica: Hello,

I'm excited to be talking with you about pelvic health today and thanks for inviting me!


I'm a mom, partner, business owner and Pelvic PT in a small private practice. I support people throughout their lifespan (18+ years old, my wisest client was 94!)


Julie: Who can benefit from PT for the pelvic floor?


Jessica: Anyone with a pelvis! But specifically if you've gone through life transitions such as pregnancy, postpartum and perimenopause. During these times, your health and pelvis can undergo transitions that can be challenging to navigate alone and may sometimes require additional TLC.


Julie: I work with a lot of pre/postpartum moms. What are some symptoms that they may notice if they need physical therapy?

Jessica: Great question! If you are pre/postpartum, here are some things to look out for

Peeing when you don't want to

Prolapse which is a shift in position of pelvic organs (feeling of pressure, heaviness or a "falling out" feeling)

Difficulty with internal menstrual product use

Pain with penetration, including sex, exams, menstrual products

Scar tissue restrictions or pain (perineal or cesarean)

Diastasis Recti (separation of abdominal tissue) which can lead to feeling weak or even LBP

Pain in areas like the low back, sacroiliac joint, hip. As well as sciatica and pubic symphysis dysfunction

You may also be looking for guidance on exercise or fitness

You may want support for prepping your body for demands of pregnancy and birth


Julie: If someone has a cesarean birth is PT still helpful?

Jessica: Yes! I had an unplanned cesarean and I had NO idea how difficult the recovery would be and didn't have the support I needed (which is one factor that pushed me from an orthopedic PT to a pelvic PT!).

Taking care of the scar tissue, assessing the position and movement of pelvic organs and regaining abdominal strength are all very important to ensure good long term pelvic health.

Julie: I also work a lot with bereaved moms. I think a lot of times they don't always think about being postpartum because they are not given the same attention as a mom that is lucky enough to bring a baby home. Do you have experience working with bereaved moms? How might your work look different? What might be important for them to know?


Jessica: I don't have a lot of experience here but over the years I have supported a few people who've experienced loss in pregnancy, during birth or a few weeks after birth. And maybe my experience is limited because of what you've already mentioned, that they aren't given the same attention, resources and discussion on all aspects of physical postpartum support. And yet they have the right and deserve the same access to physical pregnancy/post-pregnancy care.


Because if you have experienced a miscarriage in early or mid pregnancy prior to 20 weeks, or a stillbirth (whether vaginal or cesarean) at anytime past 20 weeks, your body has been impacted by hormones and all the accompanying physical changes to the body that pregnancy and birth can bring on. Which deserves attention and support!

We can start early education and support depending on each person's readiness however we wouldn't do a full pelvic assessment until 6 weeks post birth.

All of my clients are screened for mental and emotional health and this helps me to understand where they are in the (potential) grieving process as well as what support they've been able to access and then I can fill in referral gaps as necessary.

And with all clients, I follow their lead in how we approach the plan of care and meet them where they are and with what they (and their bodies) seem ready for. This is especially important for clients with a history of trauma or loss.

Julie: This is so helpful. Thank you! It is a great to know that you are aware and sensitive to the trauma and grief that all these moms are going through and ways to support them.

Julie: What are the benefits that PT can offer?

Jessica: Navigating changes in our bodies can be a lot and accessing a pelvic PT can help people feel well supported physically, emotionally & mentally. Knowing you don't have to "go at it alone" or "suffer in silence" can have a profound impact.

Also it's not just about the pelvic floor! My training and education allow me to support people with all aspects of their health and wellness as it relates to menstruation, fertility, pregnancy, postpartum, perimenopause & menopause.


Julie: If someone is interested in working with you, how do they initiate that?

Jessica: Our website is a great place to start. Lots of info there on who we support and all the options- like using insurance, choosing our ​self-pay programs or even our online programs. We also offer online scheduling through our website.

We do have a free and private Facebook group that everyone is welcome to join if they are looking for more community, support and general pelvic health education.


Julie: Thank you so much Jessica for taking the time to meet with me today. Is there any other information that would be important to know?

Jessica: I often get feedback that our space feels very warm and inviting and that talking with me is way easier than they anticipated (and they say "I wish I had come sooner!") We work hard to make the experience feel supportive and easy. If anyone has reservations, I'm also open to chatting via email or phone call as necessary to make sure it's the right fit overall.

Julie: Jessica you are a valuable resource to the community. Thank you so much for talking with me today and all that you do for the postpartum moms. One of the reasons I asked Jessica to speak today is because of all the great content I see her putting on instagram for free. If you haven’t found her on there yet she is

that_ pelvic _lady.

For more resources on pregnancy or postpartum mental health contact julie@kullcounselingmadison.com.


Resources for Pregnancy after a Loss in Madison, Wisconsin - Doula

Pregnancy after loss support Madison Alli Ryan

For this month’s blog post I wanted to take this opportunity to talk to you about how a doula can help with the birth process. It is common when you’re pregnant after a loss to feel an increased amount of anxiety about giving birth. A doula can help with the emotional and physical side of labor.

For this article I interviewed Alli Ryan from Lumos

Julie: So Alli what is a doula?

Alli: A doula provides physical, emotional and informational support. Most folks think that is just to a pregnant person thats giving birth but a doula can extend into birth and postpartum. At a birth we may help you with coping strategies, with positions, we’re going to help you with if your planning a hospital birth so we can navigate some of the hospital systems stuff and know what are your choices, but we can do those same things in pregnancy. We are not medical care providers we don’t give medical advice. We are not midwives- midwives are medical and emotional. As our doula our role is just informational, physical and emotional support.

Julie: How can you help support someone that pregnant after a loss?

Alli: Leaning into that emotional support peace. All people come into birth with a story and sometimes you know what your story is because you have had early pregnancy loss or loss at any point so those emotions are really big. It is finding a safe space. The hormone in labor is oxytocin and oxytocin is the hormone of feeling safe and supported. The way our brain is structured the fear hormones actually compete with our labor hormones. To be able to have someone to set you up to feel safe in not only pregnancy but labor really does allow those hormones to flow a little bit better. It is someone that understands you. We can help you move the staff through so you don’t have to tell your story over and over again. We help you to know what your options are. There can be options available specific to pregnancy after loss such as labor positions that might bring up a lot of feelings for you. We find their are stages along the way like oh I did not realize I had put a lot of energy into getting past 20 weeks or in that ultrasound in our last pregnancy is when things got hard. It is helping you move through some of those milestones. Usually folks that want doula support want all of their feelings honored. They also want information, support and facts.

Julie: Are their commonalities that you see in the labor and delivery room for people pregnant after a loss?

Alli: Moving through pregnancy their are these milestones that you have to get through like I knew I was going to have a hard time getting through that. We can help you think about those things ahead of time, move through those things and coming up with a plan. Sometimes I will find early labor can feel like some of those sensations of an early pregnancy loss and so having a person you can call and say I am having really hard feelings, we aren’t necessarily going to be there to fix them and this is where mental health providers can help with tools but we can be those safe people to help remind you of what your tools are when all of that kind of goes out the window. We can help you bring in your past losses so if you named your babies or put some sort of energy or labels or icons or symbols or teddy bears we can normalize that. That is very normal. It is very normal to help you feel connection in those experiences.

I also think most folks don’t understand how hard the postpartum is.

There can be a big huge wave of grief that comes in waves because you start to realize what you lost in a way that is like in your arms. Their can be a lot of complicated feelings. To lean into the support team that you have created, those are all really important things to do.

Julie: That’s such a good point. I also feel that people are hesitant to have a doula in the room because they are very private and it can be hard enough to be in front of your medical team. Can you speak to that?

Alli: We hear that from a lot from all folks not just from people pregnant after a loss. What we hear now is that a doula actually hear that a doula helps keep things private. We aren’t a stranger thats a weirdo in the room. We’ve also been to a lot of births. If you guys need us to disappear for a while because you need a moment we are going to know that without you even saying it and we are going to kind of blend into the background. We’re also going to in particular in a hospital environment we are going to help that hospital feel more private. We may be able to communicate to stay hey they are just going to have a little time together and can we keep folks out and help you ask for that as a patient. Advocate for what you need. Helping that environment feel like your nest, this is your experience and not a sterile hospital room. There are simple things we can do like turning down the lights and bringing twinkle lights and having is smell different and thinking about your music. But there is also a lot that just comes with our presence a doula in and of itself is a communication tool that we want this labor to take into account our emotions. We want it to feel like an individual experience. We want to understand what is happening around us and we want support. Just having a doula present makes that experience a little more private.

Julie: Do you want to speak why you are interested in working with pregnancy after loss?

Alli: I had been a doula for a couple of years, my husband and I hadn’t had any complications getting pregnant. We seemed to get pregnant very easily but we weren’t able to stay pregnant very easily. My big rainbow, we use the terminology rainbow at our house, pregnancy after loss, was born and then got pregnant again and then almost term we had our daughter who was born via stillbirth. She is a huge part of our life, her name is Vivian and pretty quickly realized that was going to transform the birth work and postpartum work that I was already doing. So I come to doula work in a way that is believing and trusting that people can figure out there way through it but that we need support to figure our own way through. I don’t come with this perspective of this is how I did it, I come with the perspective that is more I understand how hard this is to do this, there are a lot of great professionals in our community that can understand that whether or not they have had loss, I can understand it in a way that is a little bit different. So, right it transformed my work as a doula and then really did. We also went onto to have another brother, so another rainbow and my work was transformed.

Julie: Thank you for sharing that and willing to be vulnerable. If someone is interested in working with you how can they get in contact with you?

Alli: So I own a business called Lumos you can go to our website at welcometolumos.com. We work with other doulas all who have some level of experience working with all different sorts of families of shapes and sizes. Those that have experienced loss as well.